seems to be okay now. probably just me.

And you think Dan had a weird Mars story
Uncle John here: This has to be the weirdest stuff I seen posted anywhere. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner_9 Weird Stuff I learned at North American Aviation, Martin-Marietta and Hughes Aircraft. We never see the backside of the Moon. This is because the period of rotation of the Moon on its axis is 27 days, 7 hours and 43 minutes, and the period of revolution of the Moon around the Earth is 27 days, 7 hours and 43 minutes. Scientists, who always like to see a cause in a peculiar fact, “explained” this strange coincidence by theorizing that when the Moon first formed, it was liquid, and tides swept around the Moon under the influence of the six times greater gravitation of the Earth. They even invented a term for it, saying the Moon was “tide locked” to the Earth. Of course, they went on to confidently predict that all of the other moons in the Solar System would turn out to be tide locked, too, when science progressed to the point of detecting such a motion. They even predicted the Planet Mercury would be found to be tide locked to the Sun, keeping one blistering face exposed to the Sun’s heat while the backside would prove to be the coldest place in the Solar System. The Space Age provided the means of determining the exact rotation rate of every moon and planet visited and guess what? The Solar System is a LOT weirder than expected, and the tide locked theory has been conveniently forgotten. First were Mars two moons, Phobos and Deimos. Not tide locked. What was the explanation? They weren’t really “moons” they were captured asteroids and besides they were too small and Mars was too small. The outer planets were visited and no tide locked moons found. They, too, were deemed too small in relation to their planets. Mercury rotates on its axis every 59 days. It revolves around the Sun every 87.97 days. No tide lock there. Then Hughes built a Radar Mapping Probe and NASA put it into orbit around Venus. They got a BIG surprise. It turns out that Venus rotates, BACKWARDS, on its axis every 243 days. It revolves around the Sun every 224.70 days! Its day is longer than its year! In one of the screwiest examples of “tide lock” ever observed, Venus presents the same face TO THE EARTH every time it passes by the Earth in its orbit! At this point scientists did what they usually do when a theory blows up in their faces. They forgot it ever existed. The only explanation for Venus is you never turn your back on the King (Earth) and that idea would throw Science back a thousand years! It gets worse. By 1953, scientists were convinced that Mars had canals. (And freeways) By the time I was working on the Apollo Program at North American Aviation, a series of flyby missions photographed them. Clyde Tombaugh, discoverer of Pluto, said that anyone who didn’t see canals in the pictures should “get his eyes examined.” The first series of photographs included three frames past the terminator, the line between day and night, and were rumored to have been hand-carried by executive jet to Washington and shown to the President. He made a strange announcement the next day. Noting to the nation that he had been a member of the generation that had been panicked by Orson Wells’ radio broadcast of the War of the Worlds, he said he had just seen the pictures and was relieved to announce that they showed no sign of life! I had received a communication the previous night from a friend of a friend at JPL. He told my friend that the pictures showed lights on the night side of Mars! I then went to work at Martin-Marietta in Denver. NASA launched a more sophisticated probe, the first intended to go in to orbit around Mars. As it approached the planet, a weird thing happened. The whole planet disappeared behind a sandstorm! Now, Mars is smaller than Earth, but it’s not THAT small. The area of Mars is about the same as the land area of Earth. The biggest sandstorms on Earth are sometimes as big as the Sahara, but that’s tiny compared to the total land area of Earth. When the probe settled in to orbit, the planet was still not visible through the sandstorm. Principle Investigators had nothing to do because there was nothing to look at or photograph but sandstorm cloud tops. Only the Spacecraft Controllers were busy keeping the spacecraft in the right orbit. This went on for two weeks. Finally, NASA had to let a contract for more Spacecraft Controllers to replace the Team, who were scheduled for a later Mission. I know, because my resume was solicited for that purpose. What a thrill, to be asked to apply for a job because of a change in the weather on Mars! At last, the sandstorm subsided. The surface of the planet was revealed, and it was a different world. No canals, no freeways, no city lights! Only a few dirt roads partially covered by landslides, noted by a representative of the US Coast and Geodetic Survey, who was quickly silenced. (I have the audiotape.) Go see the recent movie, “My Favorite Martian.” The first five minutes tells the story. The Mars rover’s batteries die just as it reaches a rock. NASA rejoices at a successful mission. The camera behind the dead rover rises up to see what’s beyond the rock. A “Jetson’s” style city appears. They missed it. It gets even worse, believe it or not. At Hughes, I worked on the Venus-Pioneer Mission, which was a fleet of Spacecraft sent to Venus by NASA. The first was a radar mapper, a derivation of Hughes successful line of weather satellites and radars. It would remain in orbit around Venus, map the surface and transmit the data to Earth through an antenna that always pointed at Earth. The second was a spacecraft carrier, which carried one large probe and three small probes to be launched as the carrier approached Venus. The carrier would then perform measurements as it approached burnout entering the dense atmosphere. The three probes had heat shields but no parachute and were intended to survive to the surface and be destroyed upon impact. The Soviet Venera probe had already landed and photographed a rocky surface. According to the Los Angeles Times story, everything went according to plan, with one exception. One small probe survived impact and continued to transmit data for twenty minutes until it fried, but that wasn’t the exception. The exception was the large probe. As it entered the atmosphere, transmitting data, it suffered a data dropout. It was only temporary and then transmissions were restored, continuing to impact on the surface of the planet. LA Times said the wires connecting the sensors to the transmitter had been burned away by the fiery heat of entry. But what restored the connection? I walked over to the Project Manager and asked him about the dropout. He said he hadn’t heard of it. Once again, it was as if the planet had been replaced just as we got too close. Then it all got explained. I took a course in Quantum Mechanics at Hughes Aircraft. At one point in the lecture a VERY Senior Scientist yelled, “PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS?” and walked out of the course, never to return. He missed all the fun. No mathematician, I tried to sum it all up in a little essay I wrote and handed in to the Instructor. “Reality is fundamentally subjective.” I passed the course and got my Certificate. Hello Mr. Bennett, I was wondering if you are related to Paul Bennett who discovered the underground aliens via television transmission and then electroshocked into dropping the subject. Of all the posts I've read over the last few years, your post is the most disturbing....and it's because I know it's true. I've watched the pics of the dust storm on Mars....it was....remarkable....and then have the entire landscape change afterwards...just boggles the mind. As you may understand as an engineer, math is not suppose to lie and everything can be measured, but reality is making these assumptions really hard to keep as a constant. The moons PRECISE orbit has long been a very suspicious phenomenon enhanced with claims of moon bases on the dark side from too many people. Which brings me to my point....reality may be uncertain in quantum physics, but human nature is VERY precise and ALWAYS constant. No matter how hard people are made to promise to keep secrets, humans will ALWAYS break that trust. The vast amount of information which has leaked out PLUS the same information being told from other leaks (considered evidence in a court of law) makes all the reports of terrible/wonderful incidents in our fluid history our new reality. I have now determined that it is not wise to discount ANY information as too wild...in fact, I am now collecting information on just how powerful human's total collective consciousness can be in steering our history and even our reality. It seems when a group or someone makes a reality "ďncident" and is "ingested" by others, a new kind of reality appears and take over. This happens in tiny historical events like pop stars performing some stunt and the fans living the "moment", but when a large incident is forced on us like the 9/11 event and tranmitted worldwide, of course, the world is engulfed in this reality. The natives in deep jungles have no knowledge of this reality, therefore it is not part of their world at all unless the 9/11 bleeds over to them. So I conclude that reality is in fact engineering facts and mathmatical measurements, but also mental control...depending just how strong the individuals are who are making this reality and if the acts influence the observers.....similiar to the old parable: if a tree falls in the forest..... All of the events and oddities you described in your post can be made with science...science beyond our capabilities, but science non the less and at the same time make our reality whatever they wish it to be......makes me feel like a tiny little ant in a very big universe..... In my world of reality, I have a sincere concern for my family's safety......I believe the situation is still too fluid to say we are all safe....as a tiny little ant with very BIG players making very BIG moves, I would be very foolish to not observe reality.....if a Mack truck comes down the road at you, YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY....../danny

Uncle John here: Starryeyes. the wiki reference was only there to verify that when Mariner 9 showed up circling Mars, it would seem that Mars was undergoing a surface erasure. What happened to the atmosphere that created this planet wide sandstorm in 1971? What caused the planet wide sandstorm? Was there really lights on the dark side of Mars prior to 1971? The source of these conjectures/reports was the prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com list mailing. This would imply that whoever is controlling our solar system has enormous power and yet at the same time, a great concern for what humans are exposed to. This would imply that the cover-up goes much deeper than I ever imagined. It has been suggest several times that the ET's that seeded humanity originated from Mars. It seems pretty obvious to me that there are ruins of civilization on Mars. Dan's current story is that the humans go to live on Mars after the catastrophe on earth in one possible timeline after 2012. The book "Eagles Disobey" strangely ties a lot of this together.

So StarryEyes…. ...since you were banned from ed does that means that now you can’t read my posts on the Metaphysical section?... Curious... just when you were starting to get interested... tsk tsk... Oh well... never mind... I forgot to tell you... but all books are on the first edition of the YB... (thank you UJ!....) but then everything else going around seems weird too. Yes... “Curious and curiouser” .... Give my regards to Dondep, will you?… : ) Thessa

Hi Thessa, I will find them. I did copy and paste several I had not gotten to yet into word docs. Don sends his love. ----------------- Thank you for explaining that UJ!

I was reading a reply I made some time ago to a very well known poster of the Golden Thread and thought I could repost it here since it has some important points I like to highlight. The reason why what is related on “The New Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ” is apparently strange and only obliquely share some common points with mainstream conceptions is precisely because it is NEW. That and because It reveals truths that demolished some well established misconceptions that have the potential to change whatever belief system we may be fond of. I often feel like being torn between the spade and the wall because I’m perfectly aware that just by reading these extracts that I post, here and elsewhere, doesn’t give the correct meaning of what is transmitted because being familiar with words DOESN’T MEAN to understand the concepts attached to those words. The same way like anyone being familiar with birth and death doesn’t mean they know and understand what those two events really mean. The fact is that “The New Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ” begins by explaining, in a detailed and massive way, the real meanings of concepts and words that are used. Anyone that doesn’t have that basic knowledge fails to correctly understand what really is said. Without that previous knowledge people will ALWAYS interpret what they read based on their personal background knowledge which is (by reasons also explained on “The New Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ”) the upside down version of the truth. That’s one way how things are kept concealed in plain sight. The words are the same, the concepts and the meanings are different, and wrong or not well explained most of the time. It’s the nature of the world we live in. An upside world ruled by secrecy and half truths where everything is so convoluted and intricate in such rococo style that it’s impossible to get to the bottom of the things. Now… Very, very, very few persons are willing to deeply immerge in the study of those meanings and concepts so when they read these bits, since they lack that basic understanding, they often dismiss them as something totally in opposition to what they were taught and led to believe. In that they are right but what most do not realize is all the knowledge they may be dismissing and so they keep looking somewhere else, at other sources perhaps more in accordance with what they ALREADY BELIEVE and feel more comfortable with in that warm sense of familiarly we all enjoy… This is probably the wall… the spade is that I’m compelled to post about a whole new spiritual approach that is not very well known (I could expound on the reasons why that is so but I’ll leave it to another time…) but that I feel is the “real deal”. I learned the hard way that what is evident to me is not so to others so nowadays I’ve a more detached approach: I do what I think I’m suppose to do and expect others to do the same. Meaning… I try to make “The New Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ” known but it’s not up to me to be concerned about how others react. I just try, once in a while, to call the attention to those interested about these simple facts. : ) Thessa

And since I’m at it…. Another repost in sequence of the first… To be sceptical and cautious about whatever comes our way when pursuing the stony paths of Truth is a wise approach. That you didn’t want to be too critical about something you confessed you know very little seemed also a laudable trait from what we already know of your personality. But this time, instead of replying directly to you, allow me to extend this little exchange of thoughts and to make an overall digression about some of the reasons I post about “The New Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ” here and elsewhere. Do not take anything personal and please understand these are my personal considerations and as such are subjected to change, like most everything else, even those matters we believe are written in stone. It was intentional the reason why I “called” for deep thinkers on that post about the Genesis. Not only because it was a massive piece of information requiring a great deal of cognitive attention but also because I’m a firm believer there is no other way we can possibly grasp real truths without a shift in the present state of our Minds. It is imperative we do so. Our mind is not only conditioned and manipulated from outside but, and above all, it is conditioned and manipulated from inside. And when I say “from inside” I really mean from inside and not reached inside from the outside. As Dondep already stated a few times (paraphrased) maybe truth is about something we didn’t even considered yet or can be found or understood or whatever in some other place we didn’t look or whatever. I agree with him. Eventually we are only looking where we are allowed to look. I think we are, generally speaking, too much stuck on an earthly and physical perspective and have enormous difficulties to see beyond Earth’s atmospheric limits let alone to ponder about pre-physicality, more commonly known as spirituality. Some can even envision, almost like some intellectual drill, that Creation was not created only to lodge half of dozen billions of unaware beings. But most will almost consider like treason to their fellow humans to contemplate what they may consider too weird or unbelievable and, in a condescending way, they only allow themselves to acknowledge whatever falls outside the box as a laughable or amusing peculiarity. “And yet she moves…” said Galileo Galilee. We are, generally speaking, too much conditioned and imprisoned to think in a precise direction, even when seemingly progressive perspectives are presented to us. As I see it, even those seemingly new avenues of thinking are designed and projected to lead us to whatever direction some want us to go. Eventually, those few ideas that carry some potential to really make a change, when able to pierce our deeply compliant and adjusted state of mind, are in no time captured, manipulated and striped of the initial intentions and mercilessly ABSORBED into the apathy of our little lives. I don’t even need to remind anyone to look at a depicted picture of the electromagnetic spectrum to realize how ridiculously minimal input we are able to get through our five physical senses from the immensity that “surrounds us all”. And yet most still cling only to what they can see, touch, hear and so on and cannot accept anything that cannot be corroborated with a physical proof. Like all that exists could only have a physical manifestation and could only be explained by strict physical laws and measurements. We are all surrounded by deliberated conditioned psychosocial perspectives, in all aspects of our lives be them educational, political, religious, moral, economical, and so on, so well designed and maintained that we think that all our actions are the result of our personal thoughts without realizing we may not have not even one real personal thought. And still, more often than not, we are just too willing to jump over someone else’s throat if anyone dares to present something that may threaten their cherished comfort zone. In an time when children are already conditioned to meet whatever alien hero monster may show up in their way and some adults are already conditioned to, at least, consider the idea that we are not alone in the “universe” or that some conspiracies theories may actually have some truthful basis after all, maybe, just maybe, a few others can make another leap in consciousness to consider that eventually the real disclosure is not about the type of alien interaction we usually see portrayed in movies and the like, but an “alien” interaction that comes from the “beginning” of times with more multiversal repercussions then an eventual contact of a third kind. Just because it doesn’t seem credible to think that aliens just pop up only fifty years ago to give us transistors and satellites… Besides there are too many mind boggling vestiges from highly developed ancient civilizations and a stubborn missing link that keeps unanswered. More likely they were temporary thwarted from keeping relating with humans about two thousands years ago just because they dared too much, as they were not exactly looking for gold but to take a more powerful position. Maybe the rightful Owner of that position had something to say about the matter and some kind of Divine intervention had to occur to save some outposts from being taken and with them to condemn all Creation to vanish into nothingness. Wouldn’t be ironic if disclosure (doesn’t it also means Revelation…?) had already been granted and we didn’t even notice. Maybe our attention was being led to something else and we were looking in another direction. Now… back to my 3d work… :? : ) Thessa

Hi UJ, Thessa, starry, ubleck & all... Great post, Thessa...do you have a link to the Revelation material?.. I think there was a link at PuPP's but I'm not sure where.. I suppose a search will find it Uncle John...I was intrigued with your post and went looking for pics of Mars.. I would have thought there was half-decent pics from just before Mariner, but it seems the first decent ones weren't until Hubble in '95... It seems a lot of people think the early drawings with the canals were an optical illusion I do remember learning at school about the canals...and that was in the 60's... Is this another example of mass mind control...why no-one remembers the canals? Weird...especially the dust storm... Peace

Great post, Thessa...do you have a link to the Revelation material?.. I think there was a link at PuPP's but I'm not sure where.. Hi Ganesh2005!.... Here it is http://www.cosmic-people.com/download4_e.htm I’m glad you liked it. : ) At PuPP’s the link it’s on my signature. But all books are also on the Yellow Book thanks to UJ... : ) Thessa

Hi, that was me above...heh I keep getting logged out...plus I couldn't log in for about a week oh well...no biggie

Thanks Uncle John, I don't have a copy of the Yellowbook.. I'll have to PM you my address But I did save all the files from Thessas link.. I'm still on the first chapter... Thanks again BTW..I thought that Charles Hall / Sweeps interview was great..very well put description..

Great pics UJ, Garci looks happy in his caboose there...heh Thanks again for the YB..I was away so I hadn't checked.. I normally only get bills anyway.. Here's a few of the deleted posts... ______________________________________ Hi y'all :smile: and a big HI to Kyra, jallen & hue Juz thought I'd pop in and join in the fun !! Had a quick look at the posts, but I haven't been here since Oct , so I've got some reading to do. Thank God for the debunkers ! They're still at it. If they had any idea of the knowledge aquired in our open-minded quest, they'd be embarrassed ! UncleJohn; I must concur with Dondep regarding the Karma issue. I was fortunate to get the download (Akashic) for Karma several years ago, and can attest to it's intricate, flawless magnificence (much like the Music of the Spheres) It's not so much a matter of glorifying it, but acknowledging it as one of the inviable mechanisms of the whatchamacallit realm. One of the reasons, I think, that the Dalai Lama gets round with a smile on his face (not because he's pulling a major con-job !) Our belief is that the helpful intervention isn't going to happen 'til the last nano-second. It's like a self-testing mechanism to see if we start batting for the other team, or resort to their tactics. Saw another disturbing thing yesterday, which you may already be aware of: I found this interesting bit of info and associated image on the TMG site. Having just re-read the Lacerta info I found it a bit disturbing In February of this year TRW sent a secret project to LAX to be flown to Cape Canaveral. It was loaded on a large flatbed truck and was the size of a house. Much larger than your average satellite. It was guarded by automatic weapon toting marines on the top and round about, and had Department of Justice (DOJ) guards in those black windowed Suburbans, plus who knows how many cops on motorbikes and in squad cars. What was in it? We don't have clue. But passed out during the event were these patches which are very revealing (we apologize for the poor quality of the patch image). On the patch a small earth, an American flag, two orbits, one ending in a blast, one going off the patch. And in the middle of the patch, dominating the scene a fearsome, attacking dragon. It appears to be attacking the Earth and the US in particular. Is the blast an attempt to stop it? Are the stars to signify where the dragon came from? Whatever it is... It doesn't look too good Peace _____________________________________________________ Hi JAnunknown, Here's the link to The Millenium Group I only discovered this site yesterday, looks interesting ! The piece I quoted was from an article called; 'Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse' , under the heading 'Nephilim, Anakim, Zamzummims' http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/repository.html Peace _______________________________________ Hi All, I don't know if you're still lurking (I'll get my time paradox fixed when I post, I s'pose!) I was juz doin' a heartfelt to PuPP, 'coz they had another blowup He seems to be havin' a rough time I feel partly responsible 'cos Mrs Ganesh and I rang him 2 weeks ago and spoke for about 3 hours. He said his girlfriend went ballistic after that I was trying to catch up on the threads here, 'cos I haven't been here or to GLoP since Oct., mainly because of all the weird psyops stemming from the MaGindi thing. It's unbelievable what's going on with his computer & phone. He's just savvy enough to get inside and see some of this stuff, says he's got 8 doors on his 'puter, and get this....2 'SETI HEALTH' files, one with his name and one with his kid's name attached !! There's a whole lot of weird stuff gettin' in there that he documents with screen shots. And his phone...he rang up his phone provider the other day and the kid at the other end told him his line was hooked in thru emergency services !!! Just before the kid's boss started yelling at him !! Bet that guy got the sack. Another weird one was when Mrs Ganesh's real name turned up on a phone record, even tho' nobody up there knows her real name and she doesn't have a phone account !! On the way back from MaGindi's Mrs Ganesh got pulled at the airport under the S_curities Act (one little hippie chick out of a planeload of people) The bastards even swabbed her religious icon (given to her by the Dalai Lama's teacher) Luckily, she kicked up such a screaming fuss in front of the other passengers, they had to let her go. Lucky escape. Anyway, we've gone beyond paranoia with this, and now that we've documented all this stuff and spread it around, we're not worried so much. Anyway, enough of my rant. How you guys goin' ? __________________________________________________ Peace to all