Dr. Dan Burisch (UJ forum) vol 001

ok, looks like I am logged in :D I have a question regarding your post on Ed: UJ:Let me say that something exists that could be called the "Gross Universe Product" (GUP) much like the Gross National Product (GNP) except taken to a universal level. The sum of all things valuable through out the whole universe and all the various concurrent timelines going on. The GUP is God's bottom line. <----snip---> I feel your pain Ganesh. One thing for sure is that God cares about GUP. GUP is more important that good versus evil. Another Mathematical concept is that of the metric. A measure of something. There are an infinite number of metrics. God watches the metrics of everything. What I'm leading up to say is this: It is likely that to promote evil in the universe is to increase GUP. It is likely that to have secrecy in the universe is to increase GUP. As far as I know, no one has researched the value of evil and secrecy in game theory, although one of John Nash's games that he developed to stabilize the cold war was labeled "Fuck You Buddy." I suspect the game that God plays is to let his love flow into those sentient beings who suffer due to evil and secrecy in order to increase GUP. UJ, I don't think this is what you are saying - but trying to understand... does this mean that "good" and "love", in itself in the universe, is not able to increase the GUP? that it is necessary to suffer due to evil and secrecy first? or is that already a "given"?

UJ, I don't think this is what you are saying - but trying to understand... does this mean that "good" and "love", in itself in the universe, is not able to increase the GUP? that it is necessary to suffer due to evil and secrecy first? or is that already a "given"? Uncle John here: Yes. It's all Mathematics, but not the Mathematics you would be familiar with. Perhaps if there was no secrecy there would be no evil. One can not consider just what's happening in this third density earth. We are being played by higher density beings which are hidden from us. Most of the evil in the world in interjected into our world by these higher density beings. These higher density beings are labeled the devil, lucifer or satan, but this is a really poor description. First of all, there is not one of them, there are many, many of them and many, many different races of them. They are in conflict with each other, just as the humans are in conflict with each other. They can take control of the minds of selected humans without the humans being remotely aware of this. This taking control is only done for part of the memory and consciousness of the human. It is like they can place a human soul in suspended animation. They can enforce blindness and forgetfulness on humans. They can't do this with every human, but they can with most. Read what the warrior had to do in the posts on "The Active Side of Infinity" on Bill's forum. I'm not one of those warriors who has escaped from the control of the predator. I willfully let these predators have a portion of my life in order to learn about them. This is the only way that I be aware of them so I can help in removing them from the influencing the rest of humanity. When the control of the predators is exposed then much pain and suffering will go away for humans. We will live a long life time. But on the negative side, technology development will be greatly slowed down. God's focus on humanity will be diminished. I don't think this will be allowed to happen until man has mastered the mechanism that actualizes our memory and consciousness, but the awareness of this is not far off in our future. Humanity will graduate to the higher densities. At that point, humanity's goal will be to unify with all those human souls who have had to endure evil and secrecy in order for the technology for the process of unification to be developed. Humanity will exist beyond the confines of time and space. The predators will move on to another world, not being the wiser or happier.

excerpts the Bhagavad Gita
The Bhagavad Gīta Both a wisdom guide and a cosmologic account, the Bhagavad-Gita is one of the main holy text of ancient India, as the Vedas or the Upanishad. Writen in sanskrit 2500 years ago, this text match up in a striking way with the latest theories of quantum physics and astrophysics, about the Big-Bang, the structure of the universe, or the energetic and probabilistic nature of matter. Excerpts "This entire living universe is pervaded by me in my unmanifested state. At the end of a kalpa, all beings merge into my nature, then, at the beginning of the next kalpa, I emit them again. Mastering my own cosmic nature, I emit them again and again all these beings, in spite of them and by the power of my nature. From me, its supervisor, the nature give birth to the universe. And this is the reason why the universe exists." (IX, 4-15) "Consider that all these beings have this double nature as matrix. I am the origin, and dissolution of the universe too." (VII, 6) "Veiled by my Maya magic and my yogic power, I am not known by all. This ignorant world does not know me as the Unborn, eternal." (VII, 25) "In all situations, all acts are being done by the actvity of the constituent qualities of nature. But due to the delusion of ego, the soul believe to be the agent of this process. However, the one who knows the double series of constituent qualities and acts realise that it is simply an effect of qualities on qualities; consequently he do not get attached to them. Deluded by the qualities of the nature, the ordinary men get attached to the activity of these qualities. Weak men, they have a fragmented knowledge of the truth." (III, 27-29) "This magic, divine and made up of the nature qualities, is unattainable. The ones who let themselves go into me, these ones go beyond this magic." (VII, 14) "The ones who, taking refuge in me, strive for freedom from old age and death, these ones know Brahman, the whole self, the whole action. The ones who kwow me among the beings, among the gods, and at the moment of death too, these ones, with their unified mind, know me." (VII, 29-30) "Now I shall explain to you my divine manifestations, keeping me to the main things, because my manifestations are endless. I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of all beings. I am the death which sweep away everything, the source of the coming things. I am the power of the rulers, the political art of conquerors, the silence among the secrets, the knowledge of the knowledgeable. And whatever the sape of all beings, I am them. Ther is nothing, animate or inanimate, that can exist without me." (X, 19-39) "I am the goal, the supporter, the lord, the witness, the abode, the refuge, the friend, the origin, the dissolution, the permanence, the container, the seed, the perpetual. I give heat, I send as well as I hold back the rain; I am both immortality and death; I am also both being and non-being." (IX, 18-19) "Discrimination, knowledge, non-delusion, forgiveness, truthfulness, control over self, pleasure and pain, existence and non-existence, fear and fearlesness, non-violence, equanimity, contentment, austerity, charity, honour and fame, all these diverse qualities in human beings arise from me. One who truly understand these manifestations and yogic powers is united by an unwavering yoga, there is no doubts about this." (X, 4-7) "I shall now describe what is knowledgeable by knowledge, knowing wich one attains immortality: the beginingless supreme Brahman is said to be neither being nor non-being. Without senses, the properties of all senses manifest him. Unattached, yet the sustainer of all, without qualities he experiment the qualities. Inside as well as outside all beings, animate and inanimate, he is incomprehensible because of his subtlety; he is very near as well as far away. Undivided, yet he appears as divided in beings. (...) He is said light of all lights, beyond darkness; He is the knowledge, the subject of knowledge, and the goal of knowledge. He resides in everyone's heart. (XIII, 12-26) Whaterver is born, animate or inanimate, know them to be born from the union of the field and the field knower. (XIII, 26) "Whatever the matrix in which they are produced, all beings with a shape arise from Brahman, their common matrix." (XIV, 4) "All this universe of animate or inanimate beings, is deluded by these existence ways and behaviours. (VII, 15) "The one who sees the supreme Lord dwelling equally within all these perishable beings truly sees. The one who sees the same Lord existing equally everywhere (...) attains the supreme goal. When he comes to discover that differences between beings are based on unity and are a simple extension of this unity, then he reaches the Brahman." (XIII, 27-30) "The one who forsake all his desires, go back and forth, free from attachments, without saying: "It's mine" or "I", this one attains peace." (II, 39) "As for the one whose action is motivated by the fruit of the action dont le motif d'agir est le fruit de l'action, they are to be pitied." (II, 49) "The one whose hapiness, joy, and light are dwelling in himself rather than in external things, this ascetic reaches the deep calm into Brahman." (V,24) "Satisfied with what he get by chance, he has overcome the pair of the opposites, free from selfishness, always the same man in success as in failure, he can act without getting attached." (IV, 22) "The ascetic man in which all evil intentions desappeared, who constantly controls and unify himself, attain easily the infinite hapiness: to blend in with Brahman." (VI, 28 ) His heart free from attachements to external contacts, he founds his true hapiness in himself. His soul united by his union with Brahman, he enjoys an imperishable hapiness." (V, 24)

Hi UJ, Reading - The Active Side of Infinity sorry it took so long. ---snip---- Every one of us human beings has two minds. One is totally ours, and it is like a faint voice that always brings us order, directness, purpose, The other mind is a foreign installation. It brings us conflict, self-assertion, doubts, hopelessness: it's ourselves as the me-me center of the world. ---snip---- We are not naturally petty and contradictory. Our pettiness and contradictions are, rather, the result of a transcendental conflict that afflicts every one of us, but of which only sorcerers are painfully and hopelessly aware: the conflict of our two minds! One is our true mind, the product of all our life experiences, the one that rarely speaks because it has been defeated and relegated to obscurity. The other, the mind we use daily for everything we do, is a foreign installation. I think this is what I tapped into when I was in my "distracted painting mode"! when I managed to escape the "me-me" world. I wish I could get back to this painting- I have not been able to –– not painting at all these days. - oh well, maybe it is a time for reading and learning. UJ, would you consider posting The Active Side of Infinity here - giving a tread "topic" for easy access? _____________________ Thessa :-) Finally reading some of your posts in the Metaphysical section of ED - actually copied them to word to read off line... I am so sorry I missed them. As I mentioned to UJ once, I think I was not ready for them yet - therefor I did not see them. I am wondering if you could do the same kind of sharing - like a reading library here - if it's cool with UJ of course. They come from different sources - and seem to point back to the same message. This is helping me - maybe it will others?

Hi StarryEyes, I’m glad you got interested in those texts but also I wholeheartedly agree with you about how we seem to have a selective attention about the matters we choose to learn while others we don’t even notice. Look at it this way... We cannot jump between levels of understanding leaving “wholes” behind and expecting to understand what we’ll find next. We advance step by step using the knowledge we apprehended in previous steps to support the understanding we’ll pursuit on the next. In that sense “we can only find what we were looking for” because as we go we are awakening to new potential understandings that we didn’t even suspect could exist before reaching that level. All those extracts I posted at ED came from the same source even if from different books, nine actually, that composed The New Revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ. I’m always too happy to share those texts and for now I'll leave you with the Introduction of the first book, chronologically speaking, that further expounds about the progressive nature of how we acquire knowledge. Enjoy!... : ) Thessa "(...) The spiritual history of mankind always proceeds in steps which are like building blocks of spirituality. Each step becomes a base, a foundation on which a next higher step is built. Each step in the history of mankind can be equated to a local (as opposed to the Universal) cycle of time which is needed to build that step and to exhaust its usefulness completely. Each step, due to its own spirituality, requires specific understanding, specific style, specific methodology and its own specific revelation. The Most High obviously accommodates His revelation to each step as necessary. The reason that everything proceeds in steps in the spiritual development of mankind is because people cannot conceive, due to their natural condition, the Absolute Truth. As mentioned above, they can only approximate the Absolute Truth. The true nature of the Absolute Truth is that it is dynamic. It doesn't stagnate, it never is, but it is always becoming. Therefore, the truth must be revealed in steps. Once that step and its specific truth fulfills its purpose, once the lesson is learned and the usefulness of its existence is exhausted, it is then discarded to be used as a stepping stone for building a next step and the truth relevant to that new step. It is extremely important to realize this revelation about building steps and the dynamic nature of the truth, or all meaning of the purpose of this book and everything else related to spirituality will be lost entirely. The error of mankind is in perceiving any revelation as having an Absolute Value. Invariably the conclusion is made that if a revelation comes from the Absolute Being it is, consequently, Absolute, forgetting one important fact: the revelation is given to non-absolute beings. Any revelation of Absolute Nature to a non-absolute being would make no sense, could not be comprehended and, therefore, could not be accepted. This would ultimately lead to mankind's extinction. Since people conclude that revelation has Absolute Value, they tend to cling rigidly to the old revelation without perceiving that, since that time, the Most High has created new steps, new conditions and new spiritual realities which transcend all previous ones. Of course, with this kind of attitude people make themselves incapable of receiving anything new and they stagnate, thereby suffocating their own spiritual life. The true reality, in this respect, is that the Most High accommodates Himself to the non-absolute being’s level of comprehension and abilities of progression and reveals to them the approximation of the truth to the Absolute Truth in steps as they proceed in their spiritual development. From this important rule one must conclude that whatever has been revealed so far in the history of mankind was relevant only within and for each particular step, and must be considered as a base on which the next step is built. Therefore, the importance of any revelation is valid only within that particular step. As progression proceeds, at one point it becomes obsolete and a new revelation is necessary for the next step. The new revelation retains the basic grains of truth which each revelation has and discards everything else as of no use. For that reason it is not surprising that, in many instances, the newly revealed truth seemingly contradicts old truth or the previous step. If one considers each revelation as having an Absolute Value the contradiction is obvious: two contradictory Absolute Truths are impossible. But if one considers them in the light of steps in spiritual progression, then contradiction is only relative or seeming. From this the danger of clinging rigidly to one step and building on old traditions and conventions is very obvious. For this reason it must be emphasized again and again that in order to understand what follows in this book, one must completely and totally disregard any conventional and traditional thinking. It is also necessary to continuously warn everyone who reads this book that this is a direct revelation of the Most High for the next step in mankind's spiritual development for which mankind is now ready. Therefore, it has to be considered in the light of that step. It is a very important step, as was each previous step; but, nevertheless, it is only a step. It would be a tragedy if it were perceived, conceived and understood in an absolute sense. It would be a repetition of similar mistakes as in the past: one of the many purposes of this revelation is to warn against such mistakes. For this reason it must be remembered that once this revelation serves its purpose and the new step is completed, another transcending step will come into existence built on the last new step. Therefore, whatever is inappropriate from the standpoint of a transcending step to the present one will be discarded. The importance of this step lies in the fact that the next step cannot be built without this one, as this one could not be built without the previous one. However, the next step will transcend whatever is revealed in this particular step as this step transcends all previous ones. Unless this rule is continuously kept in mind and everything that proceeds is considered in this light, its true meaning, purpose and effect will be completely lost. It would be waste of one's time. This is the reason why this introduction is so important. (...)” “Fundamentals of Human Spirituality“, Introduction http://www.universe-people.com/download4_e.htm

Hi Ubleck!... Lol UJ… I can almost see you, panicking, hands on head, but it would never cross my mind to start a new thread on your forum... To surf through several forums is work enough let alone branching off threads.... Relax... : )) : ) Thessa

New dog
Uncle John here: The breeder and the new Garci Aloha.

Welcome Garci Aloha

Pam and I are so happy.

that was - me -- I think I keep having the same problem with Bill's forum too- trying using Firefox now - maybe I should go back to Safari.

Congratulations UJ!!! That is a lovely and BIG puppy.... what a beauty … : ) Thessa

many minds in one
I have a question regarding your post on Ed: UJ:Let me say that something exists that could be called the "Gross Universe Product" (GUP) much like the Gross National Product (GNP) except taken to a universal level. The sum of all things valuable through out the whole universe and all the various concurrent timelines going on. The GUP is God's bottom line. UJ, I don't think this is what you are saying - but trying to understand... does this mean that "good" and "love", in itself in the universe, is not able to increase the GUP? that it is necessary to suffer due to evil and secrecy first? or is that already a "given"? Hi UJ, Reading - The Active Side of Infinity ---snip---- Every one of us human beings has two minds. One is totally ours, and it is like a faint voice that always brings us order, directness, purpose, The other mind is a foreign installation. It brings us conflict, self-assertion, doubts, hopelessness: it's ourselves as the me-me center of the world. ---snip---- We are not naturally petty and contradictory. Our pettiness and contradictions are, rather, the result of a transcendental conflict that afflicts every one of us, but of which only sorcerers are painfully and hopelessly aware: the conflict of our two minds! One is our true mind, the product of all our life experiences, the one that rarely speaks because it has been defeated and relegated to obscurity. The other, the mind we use daily for everything we do, is a foreign installation. Uncle John here: Both minds are not simple minds, in that, they are not composed of a single thought thread. In fact the foreign installation is not all organic. Our mind is composed of an almost unlimited number of sources. The mind that is totally ours is really the reflection of many minds that are just like ours. We have merged with these minds in an area outside of time and space. Our mind is concerned with being and feeling. This mind is quite content to live in a world of sensation, whether it be joy or pain. This mind is the one you see when Dan laughs or jokes. When a puppy first plays by herself without the litter mates around, you can see this mind in her eyes. The other foreign installation mind is compose of many different types of input. One input is creating fear in your mind and feeding off emotions from you. The reptoids enter Dan's mind and torture him. They send their agents to beat him up, time and time again. Another input is mechanically based and is always trying to make your life more complicated. This input drives Dan to work on the GP and the 27 blue apples. It is far more than one episode with the Jrod that is leading Dan to his research. This is another face to the supposedly cherubim, leading to creation of new technology out of nothing that was there before. I wonder if all these minds are going to be revealed in Dan's debriefing? Doubt it. All these external installations in our minds are allowed and encouraged in order to increase the GUP. I'm really love learning how to grow wine grapes. The really best way to cultivate good wine grapes is to torture them. Don't give them enough water. Plant them in rocky soil. Remove most of the fruit from the plant. Remove their shoots if they grow too long. Grow them where they are exposed to cold at night and heat in the day. This produces the grapes and wine with the most complicated flavors. A joy to drink. And what does Garci Aloha, my new long hair German Shepherd eight week old puppy, have to do with this? Because you can look at this puppy react to a whole new environment and see these different minds, both natural and foreign at work. You can really see this minds at work in Dan. Dan is a focal point of many, many external minds coming together. Perhaps Dan real mission in life is not the disclosure of the ET presence, but the disclosure of the many minds that affect him and his bosses. Most of this goes on without them even being aware of this. There are many veils to be swept away.

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